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This debate is mentioned in the last part of the Chandyogya Upanishad. Once the brahmajnani ( knower of brahaman), Narad Muni, approached Sanat Kumar, after offering his respects Narad Muni requested him to teach him brahmajnana so that he could quieten his disturbed mind. Sanat Kumar requested him to update him on his knowledge so that he could accordingly instruct him.

 

This debate is mentioned in the last part of the Chandyogya Upanishad.  

 

Once the brahmajnani ( knower of brahaman), Narad Muni, approached Sanat Kumar, after offering his respects Narad Muni requested him to teach him brahmajnana so that he could quieten his disturbed mind. Sanat Kumar requested him to update him on his knowledge so that he could accordingly instruct him.

Narada muni: "Bhagavan, I have learnt the Vedas-Rik, Sama, यजस्व ||Yajasva and Atharvan and the 5th Shastras, which are Itihasa and Puranas. I have studied Vyakarana (grammar), Shraddha kalpa (), गनित||Ganita (Mathematics), ||Jyothishya (astrology), Shakunashastra (), Nidhistra, Tarka (logic), ||Niti (principle & strategy), Nirukta (), shiksha (), kalpa (), Chandasas (), Bhutavidya (), Dhanurveda (), Sarpavidya, Nrtya-gita (), Vadya (), Shilpa () and making perfumes.  In the Vedas, I have learnt only the external sound (mantra)  of brahmatmaka vidya.  But I am not atma vida( being situated in atma)  I have heard that people like you who are equal to bhagavat svarupa ( attained highest nature) and atma jnani (on the platform of atma) have transcended misery.  Narad Muni appeals to Sanat Kumar to free him from his current state of misery just as Shaunaka rishi in the Mundhaka Upanishad appeals to the Grihastha, Angirasa, what is that when understood is equal to knowing everything?"  

Narada muni: "Bhagavan, I have learnt the Vedas-Rik, Sama, यजस्व ||Yajasva and Atharvan and the 5th Shastras, which are Itihasa and Puranas. I have studied Vyakarana (grammar), Shraddha kalpa (), गनित||Ganita (Mathematics), ||Jyothishya (astrology), Shakunashastra (), Nidhistra, Tarka (logic), ||Niti (principle & strategy), Nirukta (), shiksha (), kalpa (), Chandasas (), Bhutavidya (), Dhanurveda (), Sarpavidya, Nrtya-gita (), Vadya (), Shilpa () and making perfumes.  In the Vedas, I have learnt only the external sound (mantra)  of brahmatmaka vidya.  But I am not atma vida( being situated in atma)  I have heard that people like you who are equal to bhagavat svarupa ( attained highest nature) and atma jnani (on the platform of atma) have transcended misery.  Narad Muni appeals to Sanat Kumar to free him from his current state of misery just as Shaunaka rishi in the Mundhaka Upanishad appeals to the Grihastha, Angirasa, what is that when understood is equal to knowing everything?"  

"there are two  parts to be known in this Vidya, this is spoken by brahma vidas.  One is paroksha jnana(knowledge which is from outside source), which gives "apara,vidya,which means knowledge of this realm, but para vidya means the experience which comes by inner science. branch is ‘Para Vidya’, which is through direct experience.  The four Vedas and the Veda Shadangas constitute ‘Apara Vidya’which finally take the shape of real knowledge when they give svanubhuti (personal experience) to become direct knowledge which in turn helps achieve Parambrahma. This stage is called as para.

"there are two  parts to be known in this Vidya, this is spoken by brahma vidas.  One is paroksha jnana(knowledge which is from outside source), which gives "apara,vidya,which means knowledge of this realm, but para vidya means the experience which comes by inner science. branch is ‘Para Vidya’, which is through direct experience.  The four Vedas and the Veda Shadangas constitute ‘Apara Vidya’which finally take the shape of real knowledge when they give svanubhuti (personal experience) to become direct knowledge which in turn helps achieve Parambrahma. This stage is called as para.